tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10829781.post116741606923758308..comments2023-07-05T11:26:53.498+01:00Comments on A Big Stick and a Small Carrot: The Suffering of OthersGarryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08188217045700587288noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10829781.post-1167424663249377052006-12-29T20:37:00.000+00:002006-12-29T20:37:00.000+00:00For what it's worth....I've lived in a Muslim / Ar...For what it's worth....I've lived in a Muslim / Arab country, with an agrarian economy.<BR/>I've "done" a coupla rams and countless chickens all "by the grace of God". I witnessed it well before I did it myself.<BR/>It's quick, it appears low stress for the creature and it certainly brings you closer to God.<BR/><BR/>I've twice seen cows slaughtered and cut up, in the uK. <BR/><BR/>I prefer the DIY method rather than getting my meat off the shelf at the supermarket. (It's closer to God) However you need an appropriate culture to support it, otherwise there'll be abuses. And the logistics of supplying high population concentrations gives you the supermarket.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>As for "where does milk come from?" Why, we steal the babies from cows and then we steal the milk nature gave them for their babies. That's why we keep them in a way they can't get organised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10829781.post-1167422775618801412006-12-29T20:06:00.000+00:002006-12-29T20:06:00.000+00:00Look, if some Muslims refuse to distance themselve...Look, if some Muslims refuse to distance themselves from the process of ritual slaughter of animals for profit and consumption, then they're all bastards.<BR/><BR/>It dawned on me the other day how distanced we are from the process. The other day I spotted a stall in Bath selling pork sandwiches with a bit of stuffing and apple sauce. Lovely, except that they took to advertising themselves with a picture of a smiling pig. And the porker itself was still mostly whole, having been spitroasted on site.<BR/><BR/>This shouldn't of made me feel queasy, but it did. In many ways the sight of killing animals for food is taboo in the west. We harbour pleasant ideals that our slaughterees are kept in humane conditions, overlooking the fact that their very slaughter takes place in distant, alien sheds, in the most mechanical and efficient circumstances possible. <BR/><BR/>And I still eat meat. Maybe its me who's the bastard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10829781.post-1167419318349168752006-12-29T19:08:00.000+00:002006-12-29T19:08:00.000+00:00Thanks for that bit of perspective Garry.I recentl...Thanks for that bit of perspective Garry.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.osamasaeed.org/osama/2006/12/bled_to_death.html" REL="nofollow">I recently wrote about this</A> very issue, mainly to make the point that all these stories about the method of Muslim slaughter aren't just Islamophobically motivated, but they are also majorly inaccurate. If the animal does not die instantly, it's not halal, simple as that.<BR/><BR/>And yes, that's the same as Jewish slaughter. In fact Muslims were permitted in the Qur'an to eat their meat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com